It’s why one of my prior podcasts was called “Conversations With Creatives…” It allowed me to go outside my HHCSA box every now and then.

Well, it’s back. Sort of. Exclusively dropping first only here, on my Substack. This one features singer songwriter Jarrod Lawson, and JSWISS, an MC who I happen to have also covered throughout the years.

Let me know your thoughts about this new side quest. I can’t say how often it will happen — Lord knows I have enough to do already — but it gives me a nice option when the vibes are right.

Appreciate you. Enjoy the video.

-M

WHO

Jarrod Lawson and JSWISS join Manny Faces for a deep-dive creative exchange.

WHY

If you’re interested in the artistry behind blending soul, jazz, hip hop, and genuine collaboration in music, this conversation captures not only the stories behind breakthrough projects, but also the philosophies and influences that fuel authentic, intentional work. Jarrod Lawson and JSWISS embody the spirit of collaboration and creative growth — perfect for listeners who want to be inspired by genre-crossing, message-driven music.

Key Vibes

• Roots and Influences: Both artists share how musical upbringing — especially influence from their fathers — shaped their unique sounds and collaborative mindsets

• The Power of Collaboration: Jarrod Lawson opens up about expanding his creative process on his new album, inviting a diverse range of musicians and stepping outside his comfort zone, while JSWISS shares how collaborative projects enhance both process and product

• Musical Intersection: The episode highlights the joy and complexity of blending genres — jazz, R&B, hip hop, and soul — through live instrumentation and conscious rap

• Message & Intent: Both artists emphasize the importance of purposeful music that carries a message and resonates deeply, not just moves the body but also the mind and soul

• Letting Go & Growth: Sometimes, pushing past initial resistance and leaning into unexpected partnerships leads to new growth, fresh sounds, and artistic fulfillment

Jarrod’s video for “If We Pretend (Where Is The Love)” is out now. You can watch it here on YouTube.

He (along with JSWISS) will be appearing at NYC’s City Winery on June 8, 2026.

Jarrod will also be appearing at a secret location in NYC on June 9, 2026. RSVP at: https://luma.com/sddf733j

Our friends at reviewed Jarrod’s new album Just Let it a few days ago as well.

Shatter the Standards

Album Review: Just Let It by Jarrod Lawson

The keyboards on Just Let It sit in your chest. Jarrod Lawson, who debuted at 37 after years of laying stone for a living, produced the whole record himself, and the first thing you notice is how good the band sounds—thick, easy, every chord given time to ring before the next one drops in. His falsetto rides above the arrang…

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Shirt worn in the intro is by the good homie Black Zeusx.